La mia preoccupazione per il gioco pragmatico (pagina 12)

Hmm, the player below you described it well, high volatility means that it is quite possible that you will have a lot of dead spins but if the game hits a big win, it is usually worth it. 

However, it is gambling and with it comes the risk of losing money. You definitely don't need to play with money you can't afford and you should only spend what you don't feel sorry for.

So even if you had a streak like that, it doesn't necessarily mean that the games are rigged. I've seen a lot of bonuses that were bought for like $1000 and got back $50. It's not unusual, so if you can't afford it, definitely don't spend money on playing slots. 

HELLO JARO, IT IS AN ABNORMAL SITUATION FOR ALL 11 PURCHASED GAMES TO MAKE A LOSS. I THINK IT IS AGAINST THE RTP OF THE GAME. I HAVE NEVER SEEN 11 HANDS IN A SEASON WINNER. IF THE GAME IS PAST, 11 PURCHASES AND 11 GAMES ARE LOST IN A ROW. I DON'T THINK THIS MAKE LOGICAL. I WILL REPORT THIS SITUATION TO THE LICENSING COMPANY AND IGAMING. THIS CAN NEVER BE THE GAME'S WRITTEN RTP AND RETURN TO PLAYER RATE

DID YOU SEE THE ONE WHO WON 11 GAMES IN A Row, BROTHER? NO BUT I LOSED 11 GAMES IN A ROW. IF YOU PLAY THIS GAME, HAVE YOU EVER LOST 11 GAMES IN A ROW, EVEN IF YOU MAKE A PROFIT ONCE AGAIN? THERE IS NO VARIATION LIKE THIS, IT IS NOT EARNING HARD, IT IS BEING DECEIVED.

If you are going to report it then feel free to let me know what result you got and what they told you. 

As for whether I saw someone who won in 11 bonuses, I can't say exactly, but I know that I saw a player who had a profit from 15 bonuses to 10 a couple of times, which is quite a lot. But a week later he had 10 bonuses and he was minus on all of them, so like I said it's gambling. Sometimes you get it right and sometimes it's like you had it. 

It's certainly not pleasant but if you're going to play you have to be prepared for that scenario. 🤷‍♂️😕

HELLO, I COMPLAINED WITH ONE OF THESE SITES TO THE TER WHO LICENSED THE SITE. THEY SENT AN EMAIL THAT PRAGMATIC PLAY DETERMINES THE RTP RATES OF THE BETTING SITE WITH THEIR GAME HISTORIES AND SHARED MY GAME DATA. IT IS ACTUALLY PROOF OF HOW THEY INTERVENE IN THESE GAMES. THEY HAVE A PANEL AND THERE ARE YOUR EARNING STATISTICS, BUT I NEVER CRIED ABOUT SUCH WINNINGS IN THE GATE OF 1000 GAME THAT HE SHARED. I SENT AN E-MAIL TO THE LICENSING COMPANY THAT THIS IS EVIDENCE AND I AM SENDING THEIR RESPONSE TO YOU.

 Dear Executive,

You have not provided Curaçao eGaming ("CEG") and/or the Player with an update regarding this complaint within seven days of the previous notice. This means that the operator is now in material breach of the IP-agreement with CEG. The operator is now granted three more working days before CEG shall make a preliminary ruling in this matter. This could mean that CEG may decide in favour of the Player.

Thanks for forwarding me the answer. When did it happen ? At the time you posted here ? I see that the casino probably has a few more days to reply to you and I'm curious how this will all end. Definitely let me know if anything changes, I'm quite interested.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. 🤞

Today I played Big Bass Bonanza and Christmas again on Cashwin.com. 11 times for 1 euro free spins with a win of 146 euros, otherwise all the others under 40 euros.

5 times on 2 euros with a maximum win of 76 euros.

1 time on 1.20 4 scatters with 2 rounds 27 euros.

All other free spins at 80 and 90 cents worked exactly the same way.

And there are actually still people who say it is a game of chance and Pragmatic Play has a legal random principle running.

They have nothing!

Otherwise you can actually explain something like that. Once, twice, but I don't understand it 1000 times.

Heute mal wieder auf Cashwin.com Big Bass Bonanza und Christmas gespielt. 11 mal auf 1 Euro Freispiele mit ein Gewinn von 146 Euro sonst alle anderen unter 40 Euro.

5 mal auf 2 Euro mit einen Höchstgewinn von 76 Euro.

1 mal auf 1,20 4 Scatter mit mal 2 Runde 27 Euro.

Alle anderen Freispiele auf 80 und 90 Cent liefen genau so.

Und es gibt tatsächlich weiter Menschen die sagen es ist ein Glücksspiel und Pragmatic play hat ein legalen Zufallsprinzip am laufen.

Nix haben die!

Sonst kann man sowas tatsächlich erklären. Einmal , 2 mal verstehe ich aber doch nicht 1000 mal.

Hello I just want to say that I finally win some decent amount with pragmatic .. i made at least 6 withdrawl in the last 3 weeks .. (CAD$) 600$650$2000$ 1500$ 1000$ and 1250$ Some good money .. I need to give them credit for this because I made a comment about them on this trend.. but you need to know I play this since a couple of months and I made some little withdrawls only .. it is rigged ? I honestly believe that these games are rigged but they will pay you at some point and I think that some casino site place the RTP very low manually .. you can see a good online casino when they do fast withdrawl and you can see when they are bad too they take a lot of time to proceed your withdrawl and they find all reasons only to keep the money .. they wish that you will cancel the withdral and keep playing with the money be careful where you play find a good one with high RTP and fast payout

From 1000 euro to 100 euro on sweet bonanza by scamatic play. What a puke. Pathetic s*it! 😉

I think I already asked you that. Why do you keep biting on the pragmatic if you then come up with screenshots like this ? Is it necessary for you to lose money or how should I understand it ?

Pragmatic changed their name several times after each scandal. "Pragmatic" is the latter, obviously. The last name change was , because the owner was caught stealing the progressive jackpot. I don't know exactly what the scheme was, nobody knows exactly. What is known is that he sponsored his close friends, one of whom was even his bodyguard. Accordingly, these people begin to cycle until they win the progressive jackpot and then wait for it to accumulate again. It's not some kind of theft or fraud, but it's incorrect. Accordingly, we expect this person to be honest, which is naive…

I have several incidents that prove to me personally (in my eyes) 100% that online gambling is rigged. In some places it certainly does. In what exact scale it is, I have no way of knowing... But the story is long, I can explain if anyone is interested.

Pragmatic си сменят името няколко пъти след всеки скандал. "Pragmatic" е последното такова очевидно. Последната смяна на името беше , понеже собственикът беше уличен, че си прибира прогресивния джакпот. Не знам каква точно е била схемата, никой не знае точно. Това, което се знае е, че е спонсорирал негови близки приятели , като дори единият му е бил телохранител. Съответно тези хора започват да циклят, докато не спечелят прогресивния джакпот и после изчакват пак да се натрупа. Не е някаква кражба или измама, но е некоректно. Съответно очакваме от този човек да честен, което е наивно...

Имам няколко случки, които доказват лично за мен (в моите очи) на 100%, че онлайн хазарта се манипулира. На някои места това се случва със сигурност. В какви точно мащаби е, няма от къде да знам...Но историята е дълга, мога да обясня, ако някой се интересува.

Also, that the RTP of Pragmatic slots can be adjusted by the casinos was initially DENIED by Pragmatic. Then they admitted that it was adjusting, but only within a few percent. Atypical behavior for honest people. Obviously...

Също и това, че RTP-то на Pragmatic слотовете може да се настройва от казината, отначало се ОТРИЧАШЕ от Pragmatic. После признаха, че се настройва, но било само в рамките на няколко процента. Нетипично поведение за честни хора. Очевидно...

Hmm, do you have any proof or an article or something that confirms what you say ? I'd be quite interested in that jackpot situation as well. 

As for the RTP, I know that casinos can choose some version, but they certainly can't adjust it how and when they want. That's at least my knowledge in this area. 

What evidence you keep asking for, we are not in court. Do you have proof that the games are fair? Let me answer you in the same way. Who cares to do research, there are videos and articles on the Internet, it's not like I keep them.

What Pragmatic said is that there is an option to adjust the RTP by several percent intervals. About 96% or as much as there is up to min 90%, let's say. I don't remember exactly. Something like that, as I said, I just shared info, I'm not interested in various disputes, evidence is presented in court, not here. And where are yours? How exactly this RTP is manipulated and by whom, I have no way of knowing. Well, you are more familiar. As more familiar, you are probably aware that max RTP to slots is written everywhere. Which is basically cheating... On the casino's part of course. Not from Pragmatic. Not in this case...

I will find something to show. Not now, I don't have time now.. But this "proof", this is just ridiculous, what "proof" do you want!? Show me yours...You start to sound like these scammers. "Show me the proof"...

Какви доказателства постоянно изисквате, не сме в съда. Ви имате ли доказателства, че игрите са честни? Да ви отговоря по същия начин. Който му се занимава, да си прави проучвания, има клипове и статии в интернет, не е , като да си ги пазя.

Това, кото казаха Pragmatic е, че има опция да се настройва RTP с няколко процента интервал. Примерно 96% или колкото е там до мин 90% да речем. Не помня точно. Нещо такова, както казах, просто споделих инфо, не ме интересуват разни спорове, доказателства се предоставят в съда, не тук. А вашите къде са? Как точно се манипулира този RTP и от кой, няма как да знам. Е, вие сте по-запознати. Като по-запознати, сигурно сте наясно, че навсякъде се изписва макс RTP към слотовете. Което на практика е измама... Разбира се, от страна на казиното. Не от страна на Pragmatic. Не и в случая...

I will find something to show. Not now, I don't have time now.. But this "proof", this is just ridiculous, what "proof" do you want!? Show me yours...You start to sound like this scammers. "Show me the proof"...

And this is a scam. He can give money to his friends, to play for the jackpot, this is not a scam, not cool though. But probably he was using his own platform. There are so many casinos, probably one or more of these are his...

So I came across that you said "owner stole a progressive jackpot" if you say something like that, you don't just say it into the air. 

As for the RTP, I agree that if the casino has adjusted it to less from the beginning, then it is not right to show a higher value because that would be cheating for me too. Proof I just wanted to add to what I already wrote in my first sentence, I also said it would be interesting to see. As for RTP, I know it can be as you write and not every casino is honest. So you don't have to be defensive right away, but we can discuss it calmly without you having to call me a scammer. 🙂

Yes, he "stole" the jackpot, but no one can proof that. Even FBI..How they can do that? It's impossible...If FBI can't find a "proof" , how can I do that? Can you find a proof for the opposite?

Those casinos are not at his name. Still they are his casinos. He is not an idiot. He is much clever than you and me for example..

They can ask them "Why this no one, this bodyguard have so much money?", "Show us how you earn those money, you are a criminal". "No, Im not, I have a rich friends, they give it to me, is this against the law? To take money from someone, so ask him." And they "Why you give so much money to this guy? And why he play at your slots" , "I give some money to my friend, he can do whatever he want to do with this money"..And that's it. It's not Russia or something, mate, they can't do sh1t about this scam.

The people started to talk about this and he changed the name to "Pragmatic". And he we are , playing the slots of the owner, who is a scammer. Are they rigged? Who knows..No one knows. But it's more likely they are rigged. Than not..I mean the chances are bigger than a random game provider. He is a criminal. With a criminal mindset..Not like you. You are not a criminal, what's why is so hard for you to believe. But that's the reality, sorry, if you don't like it. No one likes this. They still play those slots, those people, because they don't want to believe as well. They are not sure..No one know for sure.

This is the issue with viewpoints on practically every unfair facet of gambling. Ultimately, the proof is the only thing lacking. I know you are really worried about what you say, but without concrete evidence, words are just words. Maybe you should look for something worthy of your trust; if you generally do not think casinos are reliable and slots are random, this is something worth a try. Don't believe in streamers? Don't follow them.

In any case, that is what I would do.

I agree many things seem shady in this world run by money; I would prefer not to be consumed by the uncertainty, however. Better to leave something I probably can't change.

For instance, I honestly don't believe casinos need to temper with slots; some providers even offer scaled RTP values for the very same games, and if someone wins, I'd say it's easier to find any kind of rule violation in order to void the winnings. But I think this is out of the topic.

I'm not quite familiar with the rest of the post, I'm sorry. I'll leave that aside for now.

I can say a lot about this. And I mean A LOT. But shortly, "most of the games are NOT rigged" . It's impossible for most of them to be rigged. And it's impossible for all them to be fair. However , if there are some rumors for some casino or provider been "rigged", then avoid this. Why not? There are so many providers and houses..What do you lose, if you change the provider? Are they offer something unique? Some unique "experience"? No, they not..So why you play there? What is wrong with you?